The XCritic Interview: Jessie Saint

I don’t care what any director, or producer says…being a film critic is difficult. Well, for most, anyway. If there is one thing I will admit that I hate about the job, it is laying down criticism to performers that you know have a great future in this business. It comes with backlash. It comes with animosity, and rightfully so. Performers are just trying to make a living. When you get a chance to make amends for your harsh critique, you jump at the chance. No, not by kissing ass. That is what a fanboy does. A true journalist will offer their condolences to the performer that was, and say hello to the new performer that is. That is what best describes my introduction with the lovely Jessie Saint. 

For many years, I gave this beauty some very firm, and harsh words when it came to her performances. To her credit, she never reacted with anything less than a smile, and a follow on social media. That had me intrigued since day one. As 2022 made its way into our lives following the COVID-19 pandemic, the first starlet on my radar was Jessie Saint. Her roles had now become more vast. Filled with dialogue. Cast alongside some of the biggest stars in the land of XXX. You know what? This woman held her own. In Kayden Kross’ 2022 masterpiece Sex Without Love. I found it was Jessie Saint who stood out in ways she never had before. Few XXX performers are ever able to make such a leap within one year in their acting careers. But this headstrong little lady did just that, and this is what leads us to our XCritic Interview. A candid conversation around awards season. Just in time to show the world who the real Jessie Saint is. As I found out, she is more than just a stunning young model with a love for sex. She is a woman who truly defines what the modern day performer, and woman, is. "Sex, Prowess, and Power."

Don Juan: Just to let you know, my dear. I may keep you on the phone for ten fucking hours today. That is how intrigued, and curious I am to say hello. 

Jessie Saint: (Laughing) That is fine by me.

An XXX performer's life is one of the busiest in the world of show business. When I called this blond beauty, she had been busy as hell, taking a few “privates” on SextPanther. Then, trying to squeeze me into her work schedule. Not an easy task when it is this work that helps put food on the table, and water running in the shower. This woman’s days are never free. Most people would never be able to handle the amount of attention that an industry performer must pay her fans. You know what? Jessie Saint does, and she loves every second of it. Most do not. Most performers only see it as work. Not Jessie Saint.

Don Juan: So, I caught you right as you were taking some calls? 

Jessie Saint: Yeah, I had a few privates that I was taking care of.

Don Juan: I dig the performers like you, who are so beautifully honest. Because money, and your work. It always comes first. There are too many people in the business, who never fully understand that. You know what I’m saying? 

Jessie Saint: Oh, God, yeah! There are so many little things you have to pay attention to when you are fucking somebody, and make a living doing it.

Don Juan: So, to tell you why I always have a great relationship with the girls in the business. I grew up poor. Went to college on a scholarship. I took so many dead end jobs on campus, that did not make me any fucking money. It was here that I met a friend who was a dancer at the time, and then eventually became a performer in the industry. She was working with a group of people escorting, and she asked me if I wanted to try it. I said, fuck it. Tried it…

Jessie Saint: So, you mean you did it? You tried escorting?

Don Juan: Yeah, fuck yeah, I did. 

Jessie Saint: That is so cool.

Don Juan: Madam, I am one of the rare people on the media side of the business, who actually knows what a sex worker goes through. I have seen the good and the bad. I know most of what everyone has faced. I look at that as a passage of honor with my porn sisters. Again, as I told you this over text. That is why my respect is so deep with you, Jessie. 

Jessie Saint: Awe, thank you so much.

Don Juan: So, how do I know that you are a champion of this business? A few years ago, when you began. Some producers, I will not name, were hounding my old publisher, asking us to review their films. I reviewed a scene with you and Cherie DeVille, I believe it was. The review I gave was so/so, because you were just starting in the business. What I found so admirable about you. You did not talk shit. You saw where I was coming from as a critic with my review. You said, “hey, I dig it. You spoke the truth.” I respect that a lot. Because not only did you not put me on the hot seat. You had respect for what it is that I do as well. I am proud to say. That in my eyes, you have become one of the best young performers in this industry. An amazing fucking actor as well! You showed me that you give a shit about this industry, and that you want to get better. 

Jessie Saint: Thank you so much. You are going to make me cry.

Don Juan: Oh, my dear. You are something special. I don’t know if anyone outside the business will ever know, just how hard it is, to turn something as ugly as sex. Into something beautiful. Especially on camera!

Jessie Saint: Oh, my God. I love it. What we do, it is art. I mean that. It is truly art. I have never been the person who considers herself an actor, or an actress. A lot of us, yes, we do a lot of acting in the industry. But, I think it falls in line with being something more. Like creating art. It is art, what we do. There are people who appreciate the things that we create outside the sex. They see something above the sex. It is not about fucking. For me, I do not invest the most amount of my thought into fucking all of these people that I work with. I love making something that someone actually, genuinely, gives a fuck about. No matter if it is the fucking, or it is the “pretty girls,” the acting, or the beautiful men, or even the story that we are telling. People give a fuck about so many things in porn. They actually enjoy what we do. They deserve to be loved for their appreciation.

Don Juan: I agree. Far too often, society scolds them, and that is just the saddest thing to me. You are preaching to the choir with every single word that you just spoke, my dear. I read a post of yours the other day, and I just have to compliment you on it. Because it speaks of this very passion that we both share, and many others. You talked about going to the beach. Seeing all these lovely asses. I can relate to such grandiose spectacles and emotions. I have loved “woman” since I became self-aware of who I am, and the world around me. No matter the color, age, shape, or size. I just have had this connection with all those women that are out there. That has led me to the present path that I am on. I could write a five-hundred page book, and it could not describe all the beauty that you all have, and how unique that beauty is in every single one of you. How it is never the same in another. 

Jessie Saint: I totally agree. My thoughts get carried away on such subjects many a times.

Don Juan: A story behind your work with Cherie DeVille. Years ago, I was covering a convention with some of my mainstream friends. Upon meeting Cherie, my boys went out to shake her hand, she said “Oh no. You are one of Don Juan’s boys. This is how we say hello in our industry.” Then she grabbed his ass. Cherie, she is a bold woman. She was sizing my buddy up, and rightfully so. This is what makes sexuality so empowering for women in this business. That is what makes all of you empowered. In so many ways. I can not wait to meet you, my dear, and discover your boldness. Witness it in person. Because I see that there is plenty of it in you. 

Jessie Saint: That there is.

Don Juan: Okay, I am going to try and keep the interview as business-like as possible. But, I just have to talk to the movie buff that is inside of you. 

Jessie Saint: I can just lose myself in so many ways when I am watching movies.

Don Juan: Oh, me too. I am dying to know what your favorite movie is. 

Jessie Saint: If I had to pick. I would say that one of my top, top favorites, is Cloud Atlas.

Don Juan: I freaking love everything that the Wachowskis have made. Everything!

Jessie Saint: Oh, my God. Nobody knows that movie. It is so good. I actually got the book, and I am really looking forward to reading it. Holy fuck! That movie just sends me to another place. I love the stories. I love all the correlation. Everything about that film just makes me say, oh, my God!

Don Juan: You know what. Most people gave that film a bad rap. But, that is because most people are fucking morons. They are people who can not look between the lines in cinema. They can not connect the dots of the true story with the modern mind. Society has never been able to see the mind that transcends into the stars. That has always been the truth. Since the days of Copernicus. Plus, I fucking love Tom Hanks. 

Jessie Saint: Oh, my God! He is so good! So fucking good!

Don Juan: My favorite film of all time is a Tom Hanks movie. It is Forrest Gump. 

Jessie Saint: (In the most beautiful, heart felt, low-pitched voice) I love Forrest Gump.

Don Juan: I love that movie so much, and that is because Forrest Gump tells his stories with no hesitation. He has done all of these great things in the audience's eyes. Yet, he stumbles when he talks about his love for Jenny. He tries to show people, it is not your achievements that matter. It is about the road that you travel. No film tells a story like that. 

Jessie Saint: I absolutely agree.

Don Juan: Oh, my God. When I get to meet you in person. We are going to the fucking movies. 

Jessie Saint: Oh, yes, please!

Don Juan: We're going to do that shit up right too. We are going to get a soda, and a box of popcorn that is bigger than the both of us combined. Are you in Los Angeles right now? Or Vegas? I could have sworn that you lived in Vegas. 

Jessie Saint: At the moment, I am in Chicago.

Don Juan: Oh, “Shy-Town.” What are you doing up yonder? 

Jessie Saint: Oh, I am just up here working. I am just enjoying a Starbucks Reserve right before you called. The coffee here is great. The weather here has been amazing. Yes, I will even say that it is a little like Florida at times. We went out to the Great Lakes, and the water was so warm. The air was also so warm and humid. It felt so good.

Don Juan: Honey, I am so glad that you are a modern day performer. May I say the proper term. A sex worker. I know you will understand this big time. When I was a sex worker. What I loved the most was being able to help people discover themselves for the first time. Sexuality, it helps in ways the human mind can not comprehend. You are a champion of that. I believe that we are healers of the human spirit.

Jessie Saint: Yeah, I love that part of sex work as well. Again, I agree with you one-hundred percent.

Don Juan: Now, to start the meat and potatoes portion of this interview. Did you know that you are one of the most reviewed performers on the XCritic website? 

Jessie Saint: Really? I had no idea!

Don Juan: Yes, and why I have always been wanting this interview. It goes along with a text you sent me when we first started talking. You said, “I feel at times that I am the red-headed step-child of the business.” I think it is the opposite. You are that woman who connects all the pieces within a film. A woman who gives it strength. You have been talked about within group scenes, threesomes, etc. People do not understand how hard it is to stand out in those types of scenes. My dear, you do that each and every time. You got to take pride in that. Because not everyone tells you that you are doing good. Especially in this business. 

Jessie Saint: Oh, my God. Literally. It is few and far between that I get to hear that. Thank you so much for saying that, Don Juan.

Don Juan: This is what makes me just so gracious that you are spending your time with me today. It means so much. I know that you are a busy woman. Your time is valuable. 

Jessie Saint: There is no place in the world that I would rather be right now.

Don Juan: You are so amazing, sweetheart. You know, what story would I love to tell? Because I have been doing so much research on you, and it is a story that we do not hear a lot about. I would love to know. How did you find your way into the business? 

Jessie Saint: So, I had a sugar-daddy since the age of eighteen, going on nineteen. We were hanging out one night, just talking, and he sent me this link. He was telling me how much he thought I would like it. So, I clicked on the link, and it sent me to this website that focused on amateurs. It was ImmatureAllure.com. I took a step back, and was like, “holy shit, porn!”

I went on to look through the website, and I have been a person who has always been intrigued by pornography. Let’s just say, I have been watching porn, since before I was eighteen. Okay, maybe a little younger. I won’t say what age. I had always enjoyed the things that I saw from an earlier age. People always looked like they were having fun. The women and men looked so fucking beautiful. This little push from my sugar-daddy. It was enough for me to take that next step. At the time, I was webcamming. I think that made me even more open to giving porn a try.

Now that I think about it. I don’t even think it was a week later. More like a few days later. I just said, “fuck it! I am going to do it!” I literally went from the link, to emailing and getting a hold of the people at Amateur Allure. We had this great conversation. I told them hello, introduced myself, and said that I really want to work with you guys. I have no clue as to how any of this works, but I want to give it a try. The next day, they emailed me back, and they asked for some pictures. More information about myself. I sent them some selfies. Along with some full frontal. I was more than happy to honor their request.

From there, I got a call from Ray over at Amateur Allure. His first words were, “there is no fucking way this is you?” We instantly hit it off from there. I gave him a call back the next day, he was right in the middle of AVN. It was the year before COVID-19, and we actually had in person awards shows. Ray picks up the phone, and I am being my normal, outgoing self. I was all over the place with the “Hi, hello, it is me.” Ray was like, “holy shit!” (We share a massive laugh.) "There is actually a woman on the phone?" He was expecting a grown ass man.

Don Juan: This happens more than you would think in the business. 

Jessie Saint: Oh, I know that now. We ended up talking for an even longer time on this call, and we set up a couple of shoots. I want to say at least three. I can not remember the actual number. Then, right after that. I signed with East Coast Talent just a few months later. And, now, I am here.

Don Juan: Oh, that is so gangsta, babe. I just feel the double Pisces in action throughout that story. You know, most people do not know this about Pisces. We are risk-takers. We are not ferocious with our decisions, like say a Leo. Or, look at a Libra, they put zero thought into their actions. Most are brain dead. Us Pisces, we take one step, then another, then another, then another. That is why we never get credited as risk-takers. Fucking-A woman. You make us proud.

Jessie Saint: I have never been one to back down, when someone dares, or challenges me to do something.

Don Juan: That is one of the coolest stories that I have EVER heard. It is so real, so fucking cool! Ambition, it is something that we are not known for in this business. That is what makes us the greatest of artists. We are willing to put on that canvas, what most people will not. 

Jessie Saint: I think that most people are so afraid to explore that side of themselves.

Don Juan: Yes, I do too. I think that is why you must continue to be the woman who talks about the things that you do. It brings people together, and not just in the industry. It is something that brings us together in society. It is what makes us family in this business. 

Jessie Saint: Absolutely. It is so important to become a tight-knit family within this community. Yes, there is a lot of bullshit, and it can be very “high school” at times. There is chaos a lot of the time. But I think that is what makes us one huge family. Nobody recognizes that. I think that needs to change.

Don Juan: That is one-hundred percent the truth. People in the industry, we never get a fair shake. Even though so many other industries in the world have their fair share of kooks and weirdos. Some, far, far more dangerous than anything you would EVER find in porn. I hope to change people’s perspective about people that are in porn. 

Jessie Saint: I have seen you doing that for a long time. As long as I can remember. It is so fucking awesome, Don Juan.

Don Juan: I hope that I can show people the beauty that is you, Jessie. Yes, I am trying to make you smile. Yes, I am trying to make you cry. 

Jessie Saint: (Laughing) Well, we are both Pisces. So, you know, we do that very easily, and that is a good thing.

Don Juan: Yes, we are. You know, I love watching a movie, and just balling my eyes out. 

Jessie Saint: Uh-huh! Me too. I always cry when I watch Everything, Everywhere. When I saw that movie for the first time. I was soooo not expecting it to be as emotional as it was. Holy fuck, it felt so good. Not just to watch that movie, but to cry. That movie is so intense when it comes to emotions. You really feel what the characters are feeling. I cried my eyes out for thirty minutes, if not damn near an hour, after watching that movie.

Don Juan: Now, the movie that does that for me. It is Shawshank Redemption. Have you ever seen that one?

Jessie Saint: No, I have never seen that movie. Who is in that movie?

Don Juan: Oh, my God, woman. I have a poster of that film that hangs above my desk. I cannot give away all the movie. But, let's just say. The film is about fear. How it can become a prison, and how hope can set you free. 

Jessie Saint: Damn, I am going to have to watch it, man.

Don Juan: Maybe that will be our movie, homie! We will be crying into our popcorn. 

Jessie Saint: I so badly want to see it.

Don Juan: I think that takes us into the perfect moment to talk about women's rights, and how much I respect you for standing up for such an amazing cause. We live in a world that is so damn afraid to do so. That saddens me so very much. Because you all should not have that roadblock when it comes to getting what you are entitled to as a human being.  

Jessie Saint: It is so upsetting to me too. I again say, it is so, so, so upsetting to see in today’s day and age.

Don Juan: I was talking with Tod Hunter today. A man who is one of my mentors and idols in this business. He told me to tell you, “good for her.” He wanted me to tell you to keep following your heart on such matters. 

Jessie Saint: If we lose women’s rights. It is just going to lead to more shit in this country.

Don Juan: You are speaking the truth right there. It will literally be like we are stepping back the progress of mankind. This is the shit that leads to burning books.

Jessie Saint: You got that fucking right. They are already altering history books. We are picking and choosing the way that we tell the tales of how we came to be. In school, they are taking away the ability for children to actually read to enjoy. It is something that is affecting everything from non-fiction to science. The way that they are altering things now, they are setting us up to have everything taken away. Or, told in a very one-sided view. I think you are right, Don. They will one day abolish books. They will just get rid of them. People will not know what is going on either when they do.

How many times have you seen throughout history, or even read about it in a fiction book. People burning books in the street. Creating this big, massive bonfire. Can you not see something like that happening in this day and age?

Don Juan: You are correct. They way that people go after each other in this country for petty shit. I could totally see this happening one day, and not just in the states that people would think. 

Jessie Saint: We are already telling teachers in school, “oh no, you can teach our kids that!”

Don Juan: I love that you promoted that tweet of mine with Thomas Jefferson. Just like you have stated. Did you know that Texas Instruments? A company that has been making text books for schools for years. They have taken Thomas Jefferson out of the text books. He is no longer there. They no longer tell the tales of what he did for our country.

Jessie Saint: No, fucking way!

Don Juan: I am dead serious, doll. If you look him up in a Texas Instruments textbook. He is gone in so many places and states. Within the text books.

Jessie Saint: Oh, my God. This is not the first time that I have heard something like this, either.

Don Juan: The reason they took him out of the history books is insane. Now, something I think is even scarier. Can you imagine what will happen if they censor our industry? 

Jessie Saint: That is a very, very scary thought.

Don Juan: You know, before we talk further about your views on women’s rights and government. I wanted to say to you. Jessie, you are the definition of an empowered young woman. I am so proud that you hail from our industry. There are very few young women who are riding the wave of success. Using their influence to do something positive. That is “old school” and so badass homie. 

Jessie Saint: Thank you. I really do appreciate that, Don.

Don Juan: You have no idea how much it made me respect you even more. When I asked you, “what director do you want to talk about?” And, your answer was Kayden Kross. That says a hell of a lot about your character and drive in this business. What I love about Kayden. She is a take no bullshit, in your face kind of director. I have so much respect for Kayden Kross and her methods. 

Jessie Saint: Yes, I adore Kayden so Goddamn much! It is seriously an obsession with me. I just genuinely enjoy being on her set so fucking much. You can just sit back, watch her direct someone else in a scene, you will see exactly what it is that is going on within her brain. It is the most amazing of things to watch, that all come to life. All right in front of you. There is no other way to describe the experience. When she is directing you. If you are paying attention to what she wants, you can see things coming. You can tell what it is that she wants to see.

Kayden Kross is a woman who writes everything that she hands to her talent. She is a person who knows everything that is going on, within her set. She has a plan for EVERYTHING! The way that she plans everything out, to a tee. That is something so inspiring for me. It is mesmerizing to see how she is able to create with so many people and styles. I wish that I could just always just sit back and watch her work. That is how much I love it. You and I were talking about knowledge. Kayden Kross is so fucking smart.

Don Juan: You know, she has been that way, for as long as I can remember. Kayden is a woman who knows what she wants. A woman with talent. A woman with a fearless way that she achieves success. That is what you need in order to not only be happy in life. But get to do things on your terms. Is that not the definition of being empowered? I wish you ladies got more credit for being the women you are in this world. Not just this industry.

Jessie Saint: Really. It does not surprise me. She is always trying to one up herself as an artist. Again, that is so fucking inspiring to me.

Don Juan: One of the scenes that you just shot. Sex Without Love, is what I believe the title is. That is one of the most visually epic productions that has EVER come out of that studio.

Jessie Saint: That was one of the most enjoyable shoots that I have ever had in my career so far. I enjoyed shooting every second so much. Kayden is always very sweet to me when we work together. She is very “hands on” with me. In this instance, she was even more open to the things that I had questions about. Not that she isn’t always when we work together. But, Kayden Kross is the type of director that you can go to and ask, “Is there anything that I can do to be better.” She will tell you. I had these kinds of questions shooting this scene and working with these great people that I did.

I remember the very first time that I shot with her. She tells me, “Please, do not be offended. I just want to show you how I want you to do this” She stopped, got on the bed, and literally showed me exactly what she wanted me to do. You have no idea how valuable that was to me. I then went and did it for her. What she said to me was, “perfect.”

Don Juan: Ain’t it a trip. The things that are so simple, they are usually the most powerful. I think that this is going to be something that many people are going to find so shocking about Kayden Kross. We do not get to hear these types of stories very often. I love and thank you for sharing it, my dear. 

Jessie Saint: Kayden Kross, she is just the most beautiful mind. The most beautiful person.

Don Juan: What an amazing tale. Now you will now know where I get this from. I would like to do what Thomas Jefferson did with the bible. Show the world the acting that exists within a great adult film. Piece only that together. Not tell people what they are seeing. Then, ...tell them it is porn that they are watching. I guarantee you. The art of erotica would draw them in. 

Jessie Saint: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. (She gently laughs.) Oh, that would be so incredible to create.

Don Juan: What a cool project that would be to create as a stage show in LA. 

Jessie Saint: It would be fucking astounding!

Don Juan: Your Deeper vignettes. They are on fire. The Spitting Image. It is rated at a nine-five. Your numbers are breathtaking with Vixen. They always have been. I myself have a curly mohawk, and I love how they did your hair in that scene. The wardrobe is gangsta as fuck, too. I love it when they go the extra mile with you. You are also a woman who has the beauty of a true model. I mean damn way good enough to walk the runway, Jessie. 

Jessie Saint: I love that, and that scene was actually the first time I worked with that company and Kayden didn’t direct the scene.

Don Juan: Oh, wow!

Jessie Saint: Yeah, she was there, and she was working with the director that she is mentoring now. Or, something along those lines. Jude, she was the one who picked him.

Don Juan: Oh, so she was the producer on the production. That is so fucking awesome! It is truly something when you have so many great minds behind the camera. The more, the better. That is something that this industry has been missing for far too long as well. That is something that made the generation that came before us, so well known across the world. It is what made porn stars of that era, “household names.”  

Jessie Saint: I love hearing about the history of our business. I do. So, to tell the rest of the story. Kayden then told me that she picked me for this scene. She took me aside and said, “I just knew that you would be perfect for this.” (She lets out the most beautiful, heartfelt laugh of warmth and happiness. That is the only way that I can describe it.) I was so happy. I could not even speak.

Don Juan: Truthfully, darlin’, you and Kiara. You both have left the biggest impression in this industry with your work this year. Hell, since the start of your careers. The both of you. It’s not just your beautiful faces, either. You guys just leave a lasting impression on people. The audience is left trying to catch their breath every single fucking time they get to see you “on stage.” A person can just watch a preview of that scene. The lighting is so good. The dialogue is spell binding. You all win over the crowd with just your words in the damn trailer. That is impressive. 

Jessie Saint: Oh, my goodness. You are too much.

Don Juan: I am so excited to use all these stills for our interview. Because that is what we are going to do. Time to display some great works of art. For that is what they are. 

Jessie Saint: That whole day was just so much fun, and it was because of that outfit. I just felt so much come alive when I was just putting everything on.

Don Juan: Just getting bound had to be something cool to partake in. 

Jessie Saint: This was the first time that I ever got to be beautifully dominant. It was elegant and sexy. It was not dirty, dark, or anything like that. Most of the things that I usually do are very dirty.

Don Juan: One of the things that I like about your brand, and you are a person who will understand this more than anyone. Being a Pisces. I am a romantic, through and through. I learned from the great love of my life, that rough sex, bondage, binding, can be so loving and romantic. That is, if you open your mind and your soul to it. I see that so much in your brand. You open up people’s minds to the beauty of rough sex. 

Jessie Saint: That is so cool that you had someone show you that. Thank you so much for that compliment about what I look to create with my brand. I love shooting for companies like Kink and so on. There really is so much more to bondage, rough sex, and fucking the shit out of somebody. Beating them up, pushing their boundaries. When you do all of that, you really have to give yourself to that other person. When you completely, and totally trust them, the things you will experience in your heart, and in your mind. Oh, my God. It is beyond anything you could imagine. Holy fuck, it just feels that much more amazing.

Don Juan: It is as if the brain starts to unload everything that you have had stored in there. I am talking in terms of love, fear, and trust. I do not think that many people understand the true value of all of those things. That is the only way I can describe what I felt. All the ways that I had not trusted people in that past came out. Holy fuck. That defines having a weight taken off your mind. Off your shoulders. However, you wish to use the term. I could not believe that something, so tender could come from something so rough, and dare I say, “dark.”

Jessie Saint: I wish that people would be able to grasp that concept more. Not just with the things that I do with my brand. But, with their own aspect of it in their lives. So many things would be better in this world if people just said, “fuck it!”

Don Juan: Truly, my dear. Truly. I aim to open males' eyes in ways they never have had before. I love that aspect of gaining someone’s trust to educate them. Make them a better person to themselves, as well as other people. When they have a partner. Especially one who enjoys rough sex. Just that shows a depth to a woman that you are all never given credit for. It means that a woman has taken touch within sex to a whole other level. It means that you have turned pain into pleasure.

Jessie Saint: That is why I am all yours today. These are the exact subjects I want to talk about. These are the things we never get to talk about in the industry.

Don Juan: Oh, sweet! So I can keep you on this motherfucking phone call for hours or what? (We both share a massive laugh.)

Jessie Saint: Yes, definitely!

Don Juan: As we get to your views on women’s rights, I want to tell you my story, and why I care for women so. My grandmothers had a total of twenty-six children, between both my Mom’s side and my Dad’s side. Both women married alcoholic husbands, and were never given the credit as the glue that held the family together. But, they were. I saw it with my own eyes. Within their own actions and words. I guess that is why I am on this lifelong mission to show the world who women really are. There is something very toxic to this masculine, macho, kick everyone’s ass, and put everyone down mentality that has ruled the male world for hundreds and hundreds of years. It is a way of thinking that has dominated this country's character for many moons, and I mean many! Maybe even since the time this country was founded. But, most would never admit to that. Women. You all have honestly never had rights in this country. You ladies are the ones who keep this world together, and you never get credit for it. I think all of that is going to change within the rest of this decade. I really do. 

Jessie Saint: What it is, ….women are able to always nurture. That is what we do. We nurture. Excuse me if I offend anyone. That is not my intent. I think that women just care a little more about people in general than men do. I feel like with men, in today’s society. It is all about being the best. I think there is a belief that you always must be better. You must always be stronger than anyone else, and that is what makes you more capable of something. That is why you can not cry, you can not have feelings, you can not have emotions. You can not give a shit about anything, or care about anybody. My question is, why?

Don Juan: I do not think that men ever ask these kinds of questions about themselves. I think that they just react and go with what the status quo is. That is something that is easier, and far less painful for them. Trust me, I would know. 

Jessie Saint: Why is it that women have to be the only people in the world that try to bring people together and connect with one another?

Don Juan: You are speaking the truth. This is exactly what my grandmother and aunt did for me and my family. This is the strength that I have always seen in women first hand. It is a strength that is both bold and small. It is a power that is hidden in between the lines of all things that you ladies do. 

Jessie Saint: I think that so much of what we do. It is done through love. That is what we do. That it is how it is done. It is all through fucking love, man! It is all done with just a bit of compassion. But, ….no. You men seem to always choose to shut it down. You can not do that as a man. You have to show strength and power. You can never be the person who cries, or shows emotion in ways that are not about being tough and ruthless. Those are all things that can become very toxic, and they do a lot of times with men of all ages. With a lot of men, in many situations, I have seen this. I have had them tell me stories of wanting to change.

Don Juan: I think people reading should ask themselves that very question. How many times have they witnessed this themselves, in their own lives? This is not us picking on men. No, far from it. This is us speaking the truth of how one way of thinking has caused the world to spiral out of control. Especially now, in the “digital age” of society. A future that is going to something far bigger than the industrial revolution. I truly believe that, Jessie. I really do. 

Jessie Saint: I do not think that there is anything sadder to watch. It is very, very, very sad to watch. I do wonder, how hard is it to get out of that thought process as a male?

Don Juan: To me, it is not that hard. Because it all begins with choice. It starts with a willingness to see the wills of other human beings, and to respect those very wills of others. Even if you do not understand what they are. 

Jessie Saint: It is as simple as acknowledging that you have feelings and emotions. Then, to accept that it is okay to bond and connect with a person the way that a woman can. Hey, or even the way that a gay man can. They are men who can connect with their emotions, and who they are. I think that comes from them shedding that toxic masculinity.

Don Juan: I one-hundred percent agree with you. This is the type of wonder that makes me always look forward to reading your social media pages. If I am not mistaken, you have had to remake your page, on multiple platforms. All because you are such an outspoken mind for the people. 

Jessie Saint: Yes, I have had to remake my Twitter alone four times.

Don Juan: I love seeing the way you embrace the fluidity of human beings. “She, He, They, Them.” You are a true wonder of humanity, Jessie Saint. Not just a sex worker and porn star. 

Jessie Saint: You know, I actually have a story that fits into the very things you talk about so much in your interviews. It is about someone I actually dated, and this is the first person I truly loved, that was a transgender man. We never had sex. We were never “intimate” in the traditional sense of what people think intimacy is, or should be. He was a little older than me. I felt that I was helping him so much with his sexuality. Dealing with who he was. His parents were always constantly harassing him about who he was. It was one of the most terrifying things that I have ever witnessed. It was eye-opening for me.

I had one of my male friends in the industry ask me this, and I think you will respect his view of things. It really does relate to exactly what we are talking about. He is a male performer who will shoot with transgender women. But, he will not touch their penis. He will fuck the shit out of them. He just has that one boundary he will not cross for himself. He came to me one night in Miami while I was out there shooting. He asked me, “Does that make me a bad person in the industry? Am I disrespecting people by having that boundary?” I told him, “fuck no, it does not.” See, my belief is, if you treat people with fucking respect. That is enough. That is the best thing that you can do with a person when it comes to understanding and connection. Even if it is someone that you do not connect with on every level. I think that is the thing many people forget in society in general. It is something to be said to be kind to someone. But, it is another to have respect for them, and who they are. Respect. It means so much more. I think that is true for everyone. No matter who they are. Or, where they come from. Especially when you are able to recognize all of that within yourself in so many ways that are not just an internal focus.

Don Juan: Love thyself, .....know thyself. They are the cornerstones of philosophy and wisdom. 

Jessie Saint: Be who you are. Fucking live your life. Just be happy! Be fucking who you are, and be happy! Because, you will not be otherwise.

Don Juan: Something so simple. And, that is usually the answer to most dilemmas in this thing that we call life. 

Jessie Saint: I have had so many conversations with people about that. People have come to me. They talk about wanting to work with transgender men. Wanting to be behind the camera and shoot transgender men. But, they hesitate, because of how it will make them look to the rest of the world and the industry. My answer to every single person who asks me those kinds of questions is very simple. It is; “Dude, everybody is a fucking person! If you can not accept that. Or, whatever is going on within yourself to where you can not accept that. Then guess what? Don’t fucking do it!” It is that simple!

Don Juan: Again. So much of the world believes that things have to be so much more complex. 

Jessie Saint: It is that thought process that allows us to accept that within ourselves. Then, unbeknownst to even ourselves, treat others with this same disregard, and disrespect. You won’t mean to do it. It will just come out!

Don Juan: Amen, sister! I have shared this story so many times. I was a man who saw his first Hustler well before he was eighteen. I had sex with a female well before I was eighteen, too. Furthermore, I did not know what the fuck I was doing in both instances. I just knew that I enjoyed myself. I think about that. Being that young, bottling that up. I don’t know how, or why people would do such a thing to themselves. 

Jessie Saint: I have someone within my family. I will not publicly tell you who that is. I will tell you in private. This person is gay. I know they are gay. Everyone in the family knows they are gay. I see this person, and I think those exact thoughts I just expressed to you earlier. “If only you could be honest with yourself. You would be so much happier.” Words, and actions that would allow this person to have a happiness that they have never known. That others already have, that this person envies.

Don Juan: Oh, yeah. I see it all the time as well. I come from a Catholic family. We are a massive family. It is my belief that they reason this religion had such a firm hold over this country for many years. Well, still kind of does. Is it that this is the only way that a person could have sex in the twenties, thirties, and forties. Fast-forward to 2020. That is why we see so many broken homes. We see so much divorce. This is not a hit on religion. This is a hit on society's fear of sexuality and sex. It is that simple. 

Jessie Saint: Oh, my God, yes! I meet so many people in this world because I do what I do. I see so many people who just want to be seen. Who asked me, “what do you see?” I tell each one of them. I see a person. Then, the second question I always get asked is, “why are you here?” I again, tell them, and I mean each one of them; “I am here because I want to be here. I am a person who loves what they do, just like you. Not only that, but I am not more than you because of what I do. I am not less than you because of what I do. We are equal. We are people.”

Don Juan: This is a jam session where we can really talk about some things that I think all males should know are more common than they think. Becoming impotent is one topic or “happening” that comes to mind. Emotion is a very powerful part of sex and togetherness. Most men think this does not happen to every male, of all ages. It is because of the blood in one’s body. It does not know where to go when emotions of lust and love are running strong. It does not know to go to your brain, your hands, your feet, your dick. Anywhere. That is a common occurrence when emotions run high. It is toxic thought that tells a male to not slow down, cultivate these raw emotions and gather yourself for something bigger than you can fathom. 

Jessie Saint: Yes, I really get that. I really see where you are coming from. I just spoke of this very thing with somebody not too long ago. It does not matter if you cum too soon, or if you do not cum at all. If someone judges you. It is something inside themselves that they need to deal with. You did not do anything wrong. You are not doing anything wrong. Especially in the very situation you just described. I dated someone who had that very issue. We had been dating for a while a few years back, and we dated for about two years. He used to begin to get mad when we would think about having sex. He would tell me; “It is too much pressure. I can’t handle it.” I tried everything I could to try to take his mind off of the things that did not matter. I mean, this was my boyfriend. This is the man that I wanted to fuck no matter the scenario or situation. He would get so emotional in the wrong way, saying that he was soft and could not get hard. It took me a long time to understand exactly what it is that you just said within him. But, it was not from a lack of trying and caring. It is all about that flood of emotions. Being able to take a second, and think about what they are. What they mean.

Don Juan: I am a person who feels that he is blessed with more of an abundance of female chromosomes in him naturally. Yes, I feel blessed with a knowledge that other males take for granted. When that happens, impotence. There are so many other things that you can do with a woman. You ladies were blessed with all these sensitive nerves all over your bodies. A man can use this time to find these places together with their women. Especially if they are both not that sexually experienced. Yes, that is what makes impotence a good thing, and a natural thing. This is where a man can discover that a touch, a kiss, it can be not just erotic, but orgasmic. Where teasing. Where talking can send a woman into an orgasm. Then revive that member, that is only a part of the equation and not the entire picture. 

Jessie Saint: I have seen this very thing in family members. I will see a man put down a woman. Hurt her feelings. Make her feel so small. All while pushing all his emotions down within himself. It makes a man look like a little boy. Because that is how a little boy acts. It is that thought of not being a man that consumes this family member and drives him to act this way with females in his life. It breaks my heart.

I think most men don’t see that value in connection. Growing that connection with a woman. They focus those thoughts on selfish things within themselves. It leads them to become very closed off. I am seeing it happen more and more with people of a very young age. I want to try to teach younger men to always be in touch with their emotions this way. Can you imagine what this country would be like if we had boys who became men with far more open minds? There would be so much more love and acceptance within the human race period! There would be far more people being better versions of themselves, not just them, but their partner.

Don Juan: This is why I believe that sex should be one of the first things shared between two people who are looking to see if they are connectable and compatible. Not just as lovers. Sex breaks down so many barriers that nothing else can. Which is why I think it is used as control by so many types of people and groups. These are people who say sex is not that important. Yet base all of their actions and beliefs on what comes from sex in their lives, being, and legacy. It is when you have broken down that first wall, that you can discover the truth. If you fit emotionally. If you fit in terms of your likes, your wants, and your weirdness. It is all put front and center after sex. Almost never before. You discover light and dark energy during sex so much, and after. It is mind-boggling to me how people do that in reverse. People put on that phony ass, bullshit montage, before sex. Rarely after. For there is nowhere to hide after. There is no need. Then, if their personal beliefs get in the way of their reality. They don't even have sex until they are married. Can you imagine that? Years, and years, and years, without honesty. 

Jessie Saint: I will say it. So many people never get to be who they really are because of religion, or the way that they were raised, no matter what it is. Christian, Catholic. Technically, my family is all Christian. Well, most of them act like they are. Most of the time. I don’t believe in heaven. I do not believe in hell. I do not believe in God. Nor do I believe in the devil. Even though I have a copy of the satanic bible. It is my right as a citizen of this country to be so. For me, it is all about neutrality. That is because both sides can corrupt a lot of people’s minds. Do you think that people know that the bible has had so many books taken out of it? All so that it could be more politically correct?

Don Juan: Or, so that a person in a group can bend something. Or, some group of people to their will. It is a form of slavery in reverse. One that people give up willingly in many circumstances. 

Jessie Saint: Yes!

Don Juan: Think about it. When someone with intelligence looks to get people to conform. What is the best way to do that? With fear. How do we inflict fear so that people will strike fear into their own hearts? Then, into their friends and family’s hearts? You do it with debt. You do it with sex. They tell you. “Get close, but do not get too close. Because if you do. You are evil. Because you are not meant to know such things.” 

Jessie Saint: I am telling you. It is time to speak up. No matter what it is that you are facing. Or, being held down by. It is time to open people’s eyes. No matter how we do that. In this interview here. Or, if it is you writing a book. Or, me using my platforms to talk about women’s rights. It is time to finally give people a chance to be happy. A chance to fucking live! This is a time in history, where you can stand up for the shit that you believe in. Where you can find others who share your beliefs, and are willing to speak up about them as well. It does frustrate me. When people have platforms like the both of us have, and only use it to talk about another performer. Calling them a piece of shit. Or, talking about abuse from drugs or other people. Nobody wants to talk about basic human rights. Everyone dodges those interactions. Even if they are things they believe in. It is that we have taught ourselves to be weak. To accept being weak with our own voices. To stay as silent as possible.

Don Juan: I agree. I think this is the perfect time to talk about your beliefs on women’s rights. You know. I have a story to share before you do. I have an employee at my day job. One who is a devout Catholic. She is a great woman. A strong woman. I have a lot of respect for her. We were watching that reversal of Roe versus Wade, and here is what she said to me. A woman who is fluent in the beliefs of Christians. She studies it and has faith in her beliefs. She said to me, “This reversal. It is going to send mankind back into the Stone Age.” She said; “When are we going to give women the right to choose anything on this earth?” This is a woman who sings in her church choir every weekend, for Pete’s sake. 

Jessie Saint: It is something that we are going to have to fight for again to get back.

Don Juan: Political correctness. It is if they care about you until you are born. After that, no one gives a shit. Not about the women, or the child, or the community that they are being brought up in. 

Jessie Saint: I was watching the news in Miami the other day. There was a story about this little girl who raped. It was awful. The OBGYN who did the rape kit on her. I can not remember if she was pregnant or not. But, I think she was. This OBGYN is now going to lose her license because of these new laws that are popping up all over the country. All because she did the right thing, and helped this little girl to avoid trauma for the rest of her life. Trauma that she did not deserve. That no one deserves to face at any age.

Don Juan: It is fucking disgusting. 

Jessie Saint: Oh, that is not the end of it. Guess what? The guy who committed the crime. He also came forward and said; “Oops, I’m sorry. I actually raped her twice. I am so sorry, everyone.” He wasn’t lying. And it seems as if he is getting more benefit of the doubt than this person that he violated and traumatized.

Don Juan: What a travesty this is to see in the United States of America. I personally believed that we were ahead of all of that. I thought we were smarter than that. That we cared about our citizens more. 

Jessie Saint: I thought that we were smarter as people.

Don Juan: Amen, sister. I just fucking love you Jessie Saint! 

Jessie Saint: We have forgotten about the things that got us to where we are as a civilization. As a society. It makes you wonder what it is that we are fighting amongst each other for? What is that real end goal? What do we want to accomplish with all this division and hate? Why are we not taking care of the mentally ill? Why do they not get a Government check for having the misfortune they do?

Don Juan: It is crazy how we look the other way at so many things in this country. All of these things are connected. Because we are all connected as human beings. It is that plain and simple. Every single action we take in this world. There is a consequence. It trickles down to the most basic level. 

Jessie Saint: I hope that I can open up people’s eyes with the things that I say and do. I refuse to stay silent about the things that matter so much to me. No matter what effects it has on me, or my career.

Don Juan: Jessie, you are something very special in this industry. I hope you always remember that. It is not just your amazing acting skills, or your supreme beauty. It is your heart and mind. To be a young woman who has such strength and discipline of spirit. Don’t let anyone, or anything, take that from you. In all your years going forward. Trust in yourself. Keep the faith in all the things that you believe in, and that you know. It is from that simple thing we spoke of. Connection, understanding ourselves. That we can truly become the people that we are truly meant to be in this thing that we call life. 

Jessie Saint: Thank you. I try. I really do. Not only that, but I feel like I don’t have that much of a voice sometimes. That is why I try to speak out as much as I can. I get to talk to a lot of new performers coming into the industry. Their goal is to make money. I tell them; “that is cool!” I want to be able to perform as long as I can. I want to be able to become a director someday. Likewise, I want my voice, my actions to be able to help women. Not just women in our industry. I want to be able to contribute to society by giving women a voice who are not in the industry. I want women everywhere to know, there are people who still give a shit about them. Even in a world that seems to give a shit about nothing. That is what I want Jessie Saint to always be known as. No matter how long, or short, my time is in this industry. I want it to count for something. Because we do mean something to this world.

……and that ladies and gentlemen. That is the great Jessie Saint.

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