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New York, 7:43 PM
Thu Dec 24
17 posts in the last 24 hours
I remember when Nerve was actually cool. I learned a lot about sex there. And eventually I outgrew it, as with Playboy before that. They're just not as cool as they think they are.
Now they're not even making the nod to being sexy. Might as well read MAXIM, it's pathetic. They went downhill a long time ago. And their personals? Forget it.
There's just no reason to read Nerve anymore. They may have a new CEO, but I don't see profitability any time soon. Is it so much better for a mainstream company to advertise on a site that has explicit sex stories but no nude pictures than one that has both? Or will the writing disappear too? What are they, Cosmo?
Do they even care about their core user base? Did they miss the memo: old media business models don't apply to new media?
The internet is where sites like old-Nerve thrive. Making Nerve more like mainstream media will only alienate the fans, and for what? For folk who are already reading other boring and banal publications and web sites?
I, at least, have hope in the future, when new media will significantly trump the old, forcing the old to progress or die.
That sucks. I'd been thinking about subscribing to Nerve since buying a book of erotica put out by them. Not now, though. This is pretty heartbreaking.
After some research I agree with you. This was in bad taste. We are changing (stronger) an already announced policy and making it enforcable so this won't happen again. We have plenty of plus-sized employees and, ironically, the write ris anything but a thin person. We are ensuring that this type of shoddy, distasteful "journalism"
does not happen again.
May we print your letter? And feel free to call me if you'd like to discuss further.
@kimberlykane: Good to know they're not all disrespectful assholes. Still, with a little luck this will have been such an exercise in bad PR for them that their editors might actually use some intelligence, compassion and due diligence in their work.
I'm not a fan of plus-sized women, and I agree with CrispinCabacha's sentiments (do I ever), but that piece seems crass and poorly written, and that's what I have against it. Any sort of opinion piece deserves its place in an industry periodical, provided it's properly written. I can't really see any sort of cohesion or critical basis to the piece if April's excerpts are any indication. As such...it has no place in print.
I agree with the opinions that people have expressed here:it is completely insensitive to refer to plus-sized women as large animals.
But are we gonna get uptight because someone has expressed an opinion that's different? Like if they found those comments funny? What's the issue here? Political correctness?
What if someone were to say that it's unacceptable,"in 2009", to be flaunting the wealth of the first world in the form of over-fed people? That to encourage overweight individuals to remain overweight is also wrong? Particularly in the face of massive starvation in large parts of the world.
Or is that also insensitive?
Actually, I do believe that it is insensitive. I also happen to believe it to be correct. But most people refrain from doing what's correct out of fear of hurting feelings. Because it's 2009, apparently.
@CrispinCabacha: It's not a matter of political correctness, it's a matter of writing an article in an industry magazine, about a genre within an industry, and instead of discussing it respectfully, filling it with fat jokes and nasty comments about BBWs.
Whether or not I agree with the arguments you're making, you're at least thinking them out in a rational manner--the article in question was more along the lines of "Ew, fat women! They're so gross and slutty!"
@CrispinCabacha: The problem is that to get away with writing an article like that (one that comes out against BBW or any minority, for the most part), you have to be a good writer, and carefully and fully think out your points. He isn't, and he didn't. As a matter of fact, I'm not even sure that there was a point to that article. That was a hack job through and through, and I'm surprised that any "professional" magazine actually allowed it to be in print.
P.S. - And that's even with the fact that I'm making the assumption that he was going for "tongue-in-cheek".
@CrispinCabacha: It would have been another thing entirely if he was legitimately criticizing the BBW industry. I've read wonderful pieces by people who feel that BBW porn is unethical (particularly feeder/gainer stuff) and that it promotes unhealthiness and whatnot, and that's fine. We need those voices of dissent, even if we don't always agree with them.
This guy, however, offered up nothing constructive along those lines- only insults. There's nothing politically correct or incorrect about that- it's just rude and in poor taste (and, from a business standpoint, horrid advice as well- encouraging owners to take the shallowest point of view towards their customers, instead of learning of the appeal of BBW women in an effort to best market to their admirers).
That someone also posted a link to the virtual version of the mag. Seeing it in print (uh...digitally) makes the whole thing that much more infuriating.
Nelson is just like the fly-by-night motherfuckers that shot the early big girl titles that he mentioned in the first paragraph: an individual with disdain for his potential audience, and the women involved. I'd be naive to think folks like that don't still exist, but it's sadly obvious that they do. I often wonder if this will change in my lifetime. I'm not optimistic.
The fact that this particular 'hate' article even made it to print is a damn disgrace to this magazines pages. Who's writing these stories? Did the same person who wrote the offensive 'Black Market' article a few months back also write this garbage? I wonder...?
Sasha strikes me as extremely attractive and charismatic. As awful as it sounds, most people who get off to someone’s porn regularly regularly; view that same person as trash. For example, the Fox News interview where Bill O'Reilly tried to crucify Jenna Jameson and then asks her for copies of her videos after the show. Many people’s attitudes and reactions to adult film stars are generally not positive, and unfortunately, most of the "well wishers" are waiting in line - hoping to score. I don’t agree with everything WayneCyparissus has said, but he makes a very good point to support my argument when he says, "She's edgy, but in a humorless and immature way, and with dicks in her ass". People base your character on your actions and associates, regardless of your intelligence. It's hard to understand the reasoning behind why someone would willingly participate in a "gang-bang" or put herself in a position where she may be exposed to numerous health risks. I'm not saying that sex workers should not be treated with respect, but I do think that the issue needs to be approached realistically. Wrong or not, the opinions of the writer in the Daily Nexus are, unfortunately, the norm.
I loved Sasha's response. It was just dripping with intelligence and well-thought-out argument. I wonder if she was ever on a debate team... or if she's just cool like dat.
04/29/09
Now they're not even making the nod to being sexy. Might as well read MAXIM, it's pathetic. They went downhill a long time ago. And their personals? Forget it.
There's just no reason to read Nerve anymore. They may have a new CEO, but I don't see profitability any time soon. Is it so much better for a mainstream company to advertise on a site that has explicit sex stories but no nude pictures than one that has both? Or will the writing disappear too? What are they, Cosmo?
04/25/09
Figures, I just renewed my subscription a week ago.
04/24/09
04/24/09
04/23/09
The internet is where sites like old-Nerve thrive. Making Nerve more like mainstream media will only alienate the fans, and for what? For folk who are already reading other boring and banal publications and web sites?
I, at least, have hope in the future, when new media will significantly trump the old, forcing the old to progress or die.
04/23/09
04/09/09
April 8, 2009 @ 8:20 pm
he then replied and said:
Hi-
After some research I agree with you. This was in bad taste. We are changing (stronger) an already announced policy and making it enforcable so this won't happen again. We have plenty of plus-sized employees and, ironically, the write ris anything but a thin person. We are ensuring that this type of shoddy, distasteful "journalism"
does not happen again.
May we print your letter? And feel free to call me if you'd like to discuss further.
Thanks
Paul Fishbein
04/15/09
04/08/09
04/08/09
The problem is that his piece (I think) was meant to encourage the marketing of this particular genre. In this aspect it fails miserably.
04/08/09
But are we gonna get uptight because someone has expressed an opinion that's different? Like if they found those comments funny? What's the issue here? Political correctness?
What if someone were to say that it's unacceptable,"in 2009", to be flaunting the wealth of the first world in the form of over-fed people? That to encourage overweight individuals to remain overweight is also wrong? Particularly in the face of massive starvation in large parts of the world.
Or is that also insensitive?
Actually, I do believe that it is insensitive. I also happen to believe it to be correct. But most people refrain from doing what's correct out of fear of hurting feelings. Because it's 2009, apparently.
04/08/09
Whether or not I agree with the arguments you're making, you're at least thinking them out in a rational manner--the article in question was more along the lines of "Ew, fat women! They're so gross and slutty!"
04/08/09
P.S. - And that's even with the fact that I'm making the assumption that he was going for "tongue-in-cheek".
04/08/09
This guy, however, offered up nothing constructive along those lines- only insults. There's nothing politically correct or incorrect about that- it's just rude and in poor taste (and, from a business standpoint, horrid advice as well- encouraging owners to take the shallowest point of view towards their customers, instead of learning of the appeal of BBW women in an effort to best market to their admirers).
04/08/09
Nelson is just like the fly-by-night motherfuckers that shot the early big girl titles that he mentioned in the first paragraph: an individual with disdain for his potential audience, and the women involved. I'd be naive to think folks like that don't still exist, but it's sadly obvious that they do. I often wonder if this will change in my lifetime. I'm not optimistic.
04/08/09
[fattyd.com]
04/08/09
04/08/09
April is so awesome and gorgeous . . . she just makes me want to be her best friend or something.
04/08/09
04/08/09
03/07/09
03/06/09
ALL HAIL THE NEW FLESH!!!
03/06/09
03/06/09
Sasha, Bella and Stoya are pushing us forward. Not just in terms of sexuality but also intelligent mainstream integration.