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@AmeliaG: why on earth would fleshbot correct an article that was written by someone they published as an opinion on sites. I think you're a little late on this one. Lazerbunny is obviously a good site thats been supported by fleshbot since day 1.
When LB first posted the list (because he used to be on Blue Blood tech/art guy Forrest Black's Twitter), Forrest pointed out to him that he left out a lot of biggies including GG, DN, EBPM, and most of the Blue Blood sites. Because LB's audience is small and he included no text with his ranking, it did not seem like anything worth much attention if he failed to correct his faulty data, but then Fleshbot picked up his wholly inaccurate chart. The source list was so poorly-researched that it failed, even from a data entry perspective, transposing digits on the SuicideGirls ranking to make SG appear to be a few hundred slots less popular than it is.
A lot of people respect Fleshbot and I think that, the more viewers a site has, the more journalistic responsibility it has to post accurate information. I'm a bit disappointed that Fleshbot has not posted a follow-up to this article, correcting the inaccuracies here.
If you are interested in this genre, who the current altporn players are in 2009, or how and when web traffic popularity matters, I hope you find what I wrote about it of interest in Understanding AltPorn Popularity Contests. The rankings I provide are based on aggregated statistics of common benchmarks and numbers are not a matter of opinion. Yes, I benchmarked all the multi-model multi-photographer sites for the article. It seems a lot of those in "altporn", not only do not give credit where it is due, but often avoid even acknowledging others in their niche, but I do not feel that anyone else's success diminishes my own. Honestly, I think it just looks uninformed, at best, to not acknowledge the world around ourselves.
PS I prefer the term counterculture erotica to altporn because I founded Blue Blood in print in 1992 and I feel the artistic and cohesive lifestyle aspects are larger than the sex aspect. But I understand that sometimes someone can want to call a genre speculative fiction, and people will go right on referring to it as sci-fi, and it is still the same genre by another name.
Godsgirls is lame and derivative. Analease and her gaggle of scenewhores are no more alt than katy perry.
and Lazerbunny? in the top 10? LOL I would have put Fatal beauty before them and theyre long gone. Wow can I contribute an article and get my low member, lame porn site on a top 10 list too?
I think this is a really nice list that gives you a pretty accurate look on the majority of alt porn sites out there. Just because one site is missing the entire list is shit? I beg to differ. Stop being such a negative nancy and check out the awesome sites listed here!!
Publishing this list with the title "Your Definitive Guide To The Web's Top Ten Altporn Sites" is irresponsible and insulting to not only some of the sites listed but insulting to alt-porn fans and producers who are also fans and readers of Fleshbot.
Allowing the owner of a virtually unknown alt-porn site with an incredibly bad personal and professional reputation to liken his site to Burning Angel which is in the eyes of many people THE definitive alt-porn site.. having been around for a long time, ran a successful, admired website, released oodles of adult films and been nominated for a mindblowing number of AVN awards is a joke.
and leaving GodsGirls off of this list just drives it all home. If Fleshbot is measuring what is and what is not alt-porn based on how explicit the sites are then GodsGirls should absolutely be on the list and some of the other sites listed should not.
this list should be called "Sean's Deluded Attempt At Making His Own Site Seem Like a Bigger Player Than It Actually Is." or "The Editor Took The Day Off."
@HaukCabal: The title was meant to be tongue in cheek. Perhaps we don't have the same sense of humor. Also, again, I did not come up with the sites on the list, I merely provided info about them (which was intended to be the "definitive" part, again, as a joke).
Anyhoo, I was making altporn long before most of you even heard of the genre, so please don't be lecturing me about this shit.
Hi Sinead, since when are you the expert on the guide to adult business practice? You've never even been in the same room as me. I certainly would never hire you, becasue your portfolio misrepresents your current state of physical appearance. Since when is it ok for a model to represent herself by photographs taken 7000 twinkies and last year ago? Get a clue and stop trolling the internet for anything that my site posts. Get to a gym QUICK!
@Lux Alptraum: Thats a great point Lux. It's not REALLY a definitive anything, its the opinion of a site..its meant to state an opinion about the sites that we think are good. So what, we don't think GodsGirls has magical unicorn powers. Big deal Gods Girls fans... you're the ones that make your opinions, we have ours you have yours. This post exemplifies how completely ridiculous people are, and also the fact that they have NO sense of humor. AltPorn is alternative, that means we all have our own ideas.. get with the program. This isn't some stupid "porn war" it was meant to be interesting and cool. You people turn everything into a bunch of bullshit if you can. LazerBunny actively supports other sites, because we like them. This was not an attempt at making my site seem bigger than it is, lazerbunny has been around for a while now..and we've been recognized by the biggest names in adult media. I think that speaks for itself.
So do the motion pictures and photographs at the site.
If you want to see something else, go somewhere else and join ..or make your own company. I've also been creating altporn alot longer than lazerbunny has been published to the internet, and Im increasingly disenchanted by the people that anti-support everything while hiding behind annonymous user names on the internet. Assholes.
@lazerbunny!: Unethical may well be up for debate. Unprofessional certainly isn't based on your response here. I should provide a link here to the wiki definition of "ad hominem".
@lazerbunny!: Dude, this is far from a decent article. You can try to pawn it off as an opinion piece all you want. Though even if it's an opinion piece you're obviously displaying your lack of knowledge of the scene, plus some underlying bias.
Through out this community, the legal issues and business misconduct with Suicide Girls is well known. As someone who has been producing and is supposedly a part of this niche. It's not very clear why you would place them as your top pick. Specially with as much experience in the field as you claim to have.
Then we get onto the obvious bias or grudge you have for GG. You claim they don't make porn, and aren't on your mind. Yet, you of all people should know they're content is more "pornish" than many of the other sites you listed. Then you go on to claim that even your number on pick doesn't even make "porn". - Isn't that just contradicting yourself?
Finally. We get onto the underlying most probable reason for this article in the first place. To make your own web site out to be more than it is. With an Alexa rating in the 300k range. A name that pretty much no one in this scene or industry has even heard of. You place yourself as #2 next to BA? Please.
You sir, have no business writing an article like this. Your opinions are proven to be biased. It doesn't even appear you're basing your list on any actual data. In fact, you missed quite a few other websites that are VERY large and big players in this niche. It seems you really have no idea what you're talking about.
ummm godsgirls is way more "hardcore" than SG or many of the other sites on your list featuring a number of photosets that include toys, and sets with the girls fucking each other with strap ons. this list sucks.
Gods Girls was an oversight on my behalf. Truth is, they don't make porn. So, I don't think about them much. Either does suicide girls you might say, thats true, Erotica is not porn. However if we only did REAL altPORN sites, it would be more like a top 2, Burning Angel and LazerBunny. So there you have it. Burning Angel is # 1 and LazerBunny is # 2 in the top two alt PORN sites.
BrokenDolls & NoFauxxx, particularly the second, intrigue me, but if I am adding a porn site to the rota, I'll prolly end up with Syd Blakovich's assuming the position.
@RidleyAlcestis: also true, and SO IS LORELEI LEE. omg ! Im so in pornstar internets love with syd and lorelei, what if they did a scene together. note to self..make that happen.
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A lot of people respect Fleshbot and I think that, the more viewers a site has, the more journalistic responsibility it has to post accurate information. I'm a bit disappointed that Fleshbot has not posted a follow-up to this article, correcting the inaccuracies here.
If you are interested in this genre, who the current altporn players are in 2009, or how and when web traffic popularity matters, I hope you find what I wrote about it of interest in Understanding AltPorn Popularity Contests. The rankings I provide are based on aggregated statistics of common benchmarks and numbers are not a matter of opinion. Yes, I benchmarked all the multi-model multi-photographer sites for the article. It seems a lot of those in "altporn", not only do not give credit where it is due, but often avoid even acknowledging others in their niche, but I do not feel that anyone else's success diminishes my own. Honestly, I think it just looks uninformed, at best, to not acknowledge the world around ourselves.
PS I prefer the term counterculture erotica to altporn because I founded Blue Blood in print in 1992 and I feel the artistic and cohesive lifestyle aspects are larger than the sex aspect. But I understand that sometimes someone can want to call a genre speculative fiction, and people will go right on referring to it as sci-fi, and it is still the same genre by another name.
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and Lazerbunny? in the top 10? LOL I would have put Fatal beauty before them and theyre long gone. Wow can I contribute an article and get my low member, lame porn site on a top 10 list too?
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Uber awesome list Sean, kudos.
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Allowing the owner of a virtually unknown alt-porn site with an incredibly bad personal and professional reputation to liken his site to Burning Angel which is in the eyes of many people THE definitive alt-porn site.. having been around for a long time, ran a successful, admired website, released oodles of adult films and been nominated for a mindblowing number of AVN awards is a joke.
and leaving GodsGirls off of this list just drives it all home. If Fleshbot is measuring what is and what is not alt-porn based on how explicit the sites are then GodsGirls should absolutely be on the list and some of the other sites listed should not.
this list should be called "Sean's Deluded Attempt At Making His Own Site Seem Like a Bigger Player Than It Actually Is." or "The Editor Took The Day Off."
01/06/09
Anyhoo, I was making altporn long before most of you even heard of the genre, so please don't be lecturing me about this shit.
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That's a great way to treat your readers. o.0
Godsgirls.com > any of those sites you listed.
Although I do love me some Supercult!
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Hi Sinead, since when are you the expert on the guide to adult business practice? You've never even been in the same room as me. I certainly would never hire you, becasue your portfolio misrepresents your current state of physical appearance. Since when is it ok for a model to represent herself by photographs taken 7000 twinkies and last year ago? Get a clue and stop trolling the internet for anything that my site posts. Get to a gym QUICK!
01/06/09
So do the motion pictures and photographs at the site.
If you want to see something else, go somewhere else and join ..or make your own company. I've also been creating altporn alot longer than lazerbunny has been published to the internet, and Im increasingly disenchanted by the people that anti-support everything while hiding behind annonymous user names on the internet. Assholes.
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Through out this community, the legal issues and business misconduct with Suicide Girls is well known. As someone who has been producing and is supposedly a part of this niche. It's not very clear why you would place them as your top pick. Specially with as much experience in the field as you claim to have.
Then we get onto the obvious bias or grudge you have for GG. You claim they don't make porn, and aren't on your mind. Yet, you of all people should know they're content is more "pornish" than many of the other sites you listed. Then you go on to claim that even your number on pick doesn't even make "porn". - Isn't that just contradicting yourself?
Finally. We get onto the underlying most probable reason for this article in the first place. To make your own web site out to be more than it is. With an Alexa rating in the 300k range. A name that pretty much no one in this scene or industry has even heard of. You place yourself as #2 next to BA? Please.
You sir, have no business writing an article like this. Your opinions are proven to be biased. It doesn't even appear you're basing your list on any actual data. In fact, you missed quite a few other websites that are VERY large and big players in this niche. It seems you really have no idea what you're talking about.
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maybe there should be a top 10 Alt Erotica Sites.
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